Thursday, May 27, 2010

Normal People do what Normal People do is not enough for me

Read from bottom up.

Warning: Super highly cheem. Intellectual conversation about Ideas and Thinking.


Jordan:
i told you so when we were 21

Jordan:
desires and needs comes in, we spend, we believe and want to get married, we marry, we have kids, we support them, retired, then i'll be there next to you asking


Jordan:
same ol shit

Jordan:
i'll be back in our culture's rat race. go to school, study and work hard for grades, grades will impress our employers and have better change to succeed in life by making most money and then

Jordan:
im just free now, once i go back to uni, all this will mean nothing

Jordan:
it will take time to realise that but im trying to skip that part and discovering it now

Jordan:
because of all the distractions around us and the way our culture made us believe

Jordan:
we are allocating our effort and time in a wrong proportion

*Ivan - 童添森:
what is it you are trying to tell me

Jordan:
lets start again

Jordan:
okay

*Ivan - 童添森:
ok so

Jordan:
no walls just guidelines

Jordan:
thats the wonder of ideas

Jordan:
assuming that you dont need that bridge im gonna skip examples and let your understanding of my understanding grow on its own too

*Ivan - 童添森:
yup

Jordan:
thats as a bridge to connect the great mind to lesser minds

Jordan:
yup

Jordan:
back to the point

*Ivan - 童添森:
even einstien use example to explain his ever so complex theory of relativity

D)Jordan:
am not saying its bad, just saying that using it too much is bad

(D)Jordan:
but we can try not to use examples unless really have to

(D)Jordan:
right

*Ivan - 童添森:
techers use examples to educate

*Ivan - 童添森:
even at kindergarden level

*Ivan - 童添森:
we use example to educate

*Ivan - 童添森:
u cannot NOT use example

(D)Jordan:
lol

(D)Jordan:
i realised that in thinkingTM

(D)Jordan:
i'm not gonna use examples anymore nowadays because it will cause you to narrow down your idea growth

(D)Jordan:
its just one of many examples

*Ivan - 童添森:
u brought it up

(D)Jordan:
big and important but not everything

*Ivan - 童添森:
which we are not talking about

(D)Jordan:
money is just 1/100 things of significance

*Ivan - 童添森:
we are not talking about money

(D)Jordan:
we should have spent that time concentrating on growing more holistic, balanced

*Ivan - 童添森:
ok we are straying again

(D)Jordan:
then we realise life is not all about money and we need not spend so much time learning maths to make extra money we are not gonna use

(D)Jordan:
maths = good = higher value and better future = more money = feed our desire for more needs = then what?

*Ivan - 童添森:
a grey subject

(D)Jordan:
maths as how i see it is just another 1/100/100/100000 of any significance

*Ivan - 童添森:
things that there are no right and wrong

(D)Jordan:
yes

*Ivan - 童添森:
we are talking about more abstract stuff

*Ivan - 童添森:
ok we fine we are not talking about math

(D)Jordan:
its a center of everything no man have ever write full about

*Ivan - 童添森:
we look back when we were in secondary school and think that learning math now then is essensial because of all the + and - we learn. however we think integration and matrix are non essensial, now in uni u look back and think that studying secondary school is important, those who did PhD math will look at us and think the same

(D)Jordan:
however, life is not just a single thing we can learn from a book called Chemistry or Add mats

(D)Jordan:
but thats because the time it takes to discover that on our own is not worth the little return we get in return

(D)Jordan:
its true too, some things its somuch easier to just read from the book

(D)Jordan:
you get the point

(D)Jordan:
people marry and retire and die

(D)Jordan:
people save and invest on property we save and invest on property

(D)Jordan:
people work we work

(D)Jordan:
follow procedures and rules and guidelines

(D)Jordan:
before we treat our whole life like a student studying in a school

(D)Jordan:
go to school till one age and then start thinking

(D)Jordan:
well the best is to mix both

*Ivan - 童添森:
why study physics when we can derive our own formula

*Ivan - 童添森:
then why go to school

*Ivan - 童添森:
if we can just sit down and generate ideas faster then reading

(D)Jordan:
everyone does that, to not do that = lagging, to do that doesnt mean advancing

*Ivan - 童添森:
education is essessial

(D)Jordan:
that is true, and normal

*Ivan - 童添森:
thats the thing, we educated people will not stop thinking just because our supply to reading material gets cut off. As a matter of fact, reading promotes thinking further expanding the ability to think and creathing new ideas

(D)Jordan:
use your brain

(D)Jordan:
you should start thinking

(D)Jordan:
are you confused by now?

(D)Jordan:
lol

(D)Jordan:
over Y time, the growth of method 2 will be higher than method 1

(D)Jordan:
our own developement, takes 10A time for less results, but the growth is constant

(D)Jordan:
another way,

(D)Jordan:
put it this way, read book = takes A time and X timefold reward, but after resources runs out growth is halted

(D)Jordan:
the supply of other people ideas which we use to think ours from

*Ivan - 童添森:
what supply

(D)Jordan:
then back to here

(D)Jordan:
as always, once the supply is cut out, we ask ourself what now? no longer supplied, we halt

(D)Jordan:
but as i've noticed from all my years of living,

D)Jordan:
thats true

(D)Jordan:
i can't read because i dont want others idea to contaminate mine

*Ivan - 童添森:
rise*

*Ivan - 童添森:
and rice 10X faster

*Ivan - 童添森:
u can just read

(D)Jordan:
one day it will be high

*Ivan - 童添森:
or

(D)Jordan:
but i also believe, with the right dedication low level will rise and rise

(D)Jordan:
that i know i agree i admit

(D)Jordan:
everything starts with low level

*Ivan - 童添森:
is already out there

*Ivan - 童添森:
because all these low lvl ideas

(D)Jordan:
the method of doing it is there, the result still unknown

*Ivan - 童添森:
u first need to be an expert in that field

(D)Jordan:
is the existence of thinking as i put it already

*Ivan - 童添森:
but then again like i said

(D)Jordan:
for now the greatest result

*Ivan - 童添森:
and we can capitalize on it

*Ivan - 童添森:
let me know

*Ivan - 童添森:
come up with a whole new awesome idea

*Ivan - 童添森:
if u do

*Ivan - 童添森:
and however

(D)Jordan:
but thats the whole point, new

*Ivan - 童添森:
whic probably dosen't exist

(D)Jordan:
its normal for you to struggle with what im trying to say because its new and you have no reference

(D)Jordan:
a different idea

(D)Jordan:
a break from what normal people do in the past, the present and will do in the future

(D)Jordan:
im talking about a new idea

(D)Jordan:
doesnt appeal to me anymore, all that you just said

(D)Jordan:
i have that feeling that everything you just said I've been there thought about it seen it followed up about it and done it

*Ivan - 童添森:


and sometimes after all that reading u decided that the author is talking pure crap

*Ivan - 童添森:
take damn long to decipher

*Ivan - 童添森:
have u ever read a thesis before?

*Ivan - 童添森:
i'll probably have to go dig thesis out

*Ivan - 童添森:
but if i want to know more and see it on a whole new level

*Ivan - 童添森:
is there

*Ivan - 童添森:
whatever i want to know or learn

*Ivan - 童添森:
is the internet

*Ivan - 童添森:
1 awesome thing about living in this century

(D)Jordan:
most is nothing

(D)Jordan:
that is something

(D)Jordan:
a plan, a path, a style, a rule

(D)Jordan:
what means something is to think of a something which will change our future

(D)Jordan:
which doesnt mean anything because its just all self image which doesnt mean anything

*Ivan - 童添森:
conjure away

*Ivan - 童添森:
as long as u realize whatever you conjure up is already there

(D)Jordan:
but nowadays i realise theres other way to impress ourself w/o using that way

(D)Jordan:
i used to do that alot, talk then conclude it with Point is

(D)Jordan:
lol

(D)Jordan:
just 1/100/100/100000

*Ivan - 童添森:
point is

(D)Jordan:
too small shit

(D)Jordan:
this is not going anywhere

(D)Jordan:
okay stop

*Ivan - 童添森:
aristotle thought about it about 2500 years ago

*Ivan - 童添森:
however

*Ivan - 童添森:
well, its good that i realize that

*Ivan - 童添森:
3. i win the argument with a strong and steady stand

*Ivan - 童添森:
2. i win the argument with pure logic

*Ivan - 童添森:
1. i appeal to thier emotional side

(D)Jordan:
haha

(D)Jordan:
you need to agree

*Ivan - 童添森:
there several ways

*Ivan - 童添森:
and realize that to win an argument

*Ivan - 童添森:
if 4 years ago i argue alot

(D)Jordan:
what you think?

(D)Jordan:
i'm still learning the normal things people learn in their normal life at their normal pace, but at the same thing working on something else, something different

(D)Jordan:
what comes after that, to step and stand on our own, is more important

(D)Jordan:
that is perfectly normal and can be done with dedication to time and cause

(D)Jordan:
imo

*Ivan - 童添森:
why do u think the only people i can quote is my essay are those PHD people

*Ivan - 童添森:
then we start generating new ideas to improve

*Ivan - 童添森:
once we catch up

*Ivan - 童添森:
society evolve from remembering the pass

*Ivan - 童添森:
there is a reason why our work quotes back to aristotle. which is like 380 BC

(D)Jordan:
thats what im doing, thinking

(D)Jordan:
ideallly, everything can be found from the inside, it just takes time patience and effort to work it out

(D)Jordan:
i dont do it like that because i dont want to rely on others for myself to grow

*Ivan - 童添森:
back to topic

*Ivan - 童添森:
ok its detouring out of topic

(D)Jordan:
haha

*Ivan - 童添森:
and deciding which 1 i prefer

*Ivan - 童添森:
so my marks come from seeking both side out

*Ivan - 童添森:
thing is whatever they write, there is somebody who will write a contradiction

(D)Jordan:
ive got many books like that but i read them in moderation only

(D)Jordan:
and what stays in is what we choose to accept

(D)Jordan:
its about letting the idea of theirs come in, and go out

(D)Jordan:
imo its not like that

*Ivan - 童添森:
in fact the more i argue the higer resutl i'll get

*Ivan - 童添森:
i can argue

*Ivan - 童添森:
whatever they say

*Ivan - 童添森:
nothing is fix

*Ivan - 童添森:
u should try taking business or arts courses

*Ivan - 童添森:
but u don't have to agree with them

*Ivan - 童添森:
all thought out

*Ivan - 童添森:
present thier ideas

*Ivan - 童添森:
and most books

*Ivan - 童添森:
that is why u don't just take what u read at face value, be aware how the author creates the mood and do not fall into that pit hole

(D)Jordan:
thats why

(D)Jordan:
by following someone's idea it is already a constant, the way it presents itself to us

(D)Jordan:
everything can change

(D)Jordan:
in ideagrowthTM everything is not a constant

(D)Jordan:
stick to one way and in doing so defeats the fundamental concept of idea growth

(D)Jordan:
imo

(D)Jordan:
it will cause singleminded track

(D)Jordan:
i agree but in doing so

*Ivan - 童添森:
imo

*Ivan - 童添森:
but reading and questioning what u read can develope yourself 10X faster

*Ivan - 童添森:
generating half baked ideas is all good and all

(D)Jordan:
it will ruin the flow of ideas according to my newfound relgion

(D)Jordan:
i'm not gonna read it yet

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